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Talkbacks in response to Lily Galili's Haaretz piece: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics


 
 Title: McCarthy or self preservation?
 
Name: ray 
 
City:  State:  
 
 
The Israeli Academic world sees itself as free and advanced enough to cut off the branch on which it is sitting. It is a surgeon who experiments on his own body, slicing into his own vital organs to see how they fun'ction and demonstrating their faults to the world.

The website is rather too officious for my taste but the motives of those who drew it up are understandable. We are fighting for our lives and the academic world is busy analysing and destroying the structure we are fighting for.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: New Facism Same as the Old Facism
 
Name: J Olson 
 
City:  State: USA 
 
 
Zionism predates Communisim, facism and the National Socialist Party, guess were these political philosophies borrowed the concepts for their autocratic and discriminatory policies. 40 years ago only a small percentage of Jews claimed to be Zionists. Zionism does not equal being Jewish. Zionism is a political philosophy based on the tenants of European colonialism and the concept of one group being superior over all others. Oddly enough another European country exhibited that same type of political thought some 74 years ago.
 
 
  
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: the Monitor
 
Name: RobertK 
 
City: Jerusalem State:  
 
 
I find Israel Academic Monitor a very helpful and informative source of information on Israeli radical-Left academics. Their opposition to Israel's most essential values and existence, their identification with its enemies, are quite amazing and the Monitor concentrates these very important data. There is nothing McCarthyite about making information available to the public and offering analyses and discussions of this information. While the site is a great source for anyone, it's particularly geared to donors to Israeli universities, who clearly have every right to know about what's being done with their contributions.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Not Only in Israel
 
Name: Yaakov Sullivan  
 
City: New York City State: NY 
 
 
In the United States, our universities are subject to the same McCarthyite groups couching themselves under the banner of promoting academic freedom. Daniel Pipes is a leader in this movement with groups like Campus Watch, the David Project, the ICC and others, which monitor academics in Middle East Studies departments. Same ilk as the Ariel Center for Political Research.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Why on earth might this center be located in Ariel.....????
 
Name: Swiss (Dino) 
 
City:  State: Switzerland 
 
 
Just an innocent question from an "innocent"
Swiss guy.....
 
 
  
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: To RobertK of Jerusalem on the Monitor
 
Name: Yaakov Sullivan 
 
City: New York City State: NY 
 
 
Shift from Jerusalem 2007 to US 1954. Thhis is what RK would have written: "I find McCarthy's Monitor-The Red List a very helpful,informative source for info on America's radical communist academics. Its opposition to America's most essential Christian values, its existence, their identification with its enemies are quite amazing and "The Red List" concentrates these very important date. Their is nothing un American about making infomation availabe to the public on communists in our midst and offering analyses & discussions of this info. While "Red List" is a great resource for anyone, its particularly geared to donors to US universities who clearly have every right to know if their money supports communists in our classrooms.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Swiss (Dino) #5 and other innocents
 
Name: dana 
 
City: sunnyvale State: ca 
 
 
This wouldn't be that long discredited illegal settlement named after the sabra and shantilla guy, would it? Thought I heard there was some so-called "college" there, but it is boycotted by most of the real Israeli academic institutions, because it is not recognized as legitimately credentialed. May be someone can correct me/us....
 
 
  
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Not McCarthyism, just facilitating the donation process...
 
Name: Dr. L. Brnd 
 
City: San Diego State: USA 
 
 
This way, the wealthy Marxist-Leninist donors will know which left-wing professors to give their money, and the wealthy right-wing Capitalist donors will know which right-wing professors they can donate to. I see no problem with that. Oh wait, I forgot, there are no wealthy Marxist-Leninist donors!!!! In Israel, as in the US, many academics seem to forget that "academic freedom" and "freedom of inquiry" is really FREEDOM OF INQUIRY WITH SOMEBODY ELSES MONEY!! Maybe the Saudis will step in to fund pro-Palestinian Israeli academics. NOT!! At the end of the day, academic endevours that nobody wants to subsidize is like a painting nobody will buy. Garbage. It is the purest form of academic fraud. Can't explain your value, but want paycheck anyway. Crackpot socialism works this way. Real world does not.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Academics are not isolated from other national disasters
 
Name: Adolfo Talpalar 
 
City: Stockholm State: Sweden 
 
 
The secrecy of internal affairs that Israeli academy enjoys is covering lots of irregularities. For instance, who is able to say what are the standards for admission of students, grades and merit awards, etc. at Ben-Gurion University? Nobody, that is secret material even for the Israeli supreme court. Check this out before blaming anybody else.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: McCarthsm is political litmus test for promotion
 
Name: Ilan 
 
City: Ariel State:  
 
 
Something that Israeli academics know very well. The left bias is not the result of merit based promotion.
 
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: British boycotts
 
Name: Joseph 
 
City: London State: England 
 
 
It looks sadly different here in London. Almost every proposed boycott of anything Israeli was led to some extent by Israelis here in England or British Jews. Britain gets accused of anti-Semitism while it is Israelis and Jews leading the campaigns. This phenomenon does deserve some further investigation.
 
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Haaretz and the Academy
 
Name: Sherlock Holmes 
 
City: London State: England 
 
 
I don't know how many Haaretz writers are academics, but Haartez is far more hostile to Israel and Jewish values than The Independent or The Guardian or even the BBC! If the academic herd instinct is anything like Haaretz then something is genuinely wrong.
 
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: tto Ray
 
Name: jacob 
 
City:  State:  
 
 
preservation? the road to perdition. free speech is the very essence of academic life and democracy.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: to #6
 
Name: RobertK 
 
City: Jerusalem State:  
 
 
McCarthy's Blacklist, if that's what you mean, was a tool to prevent people from being hired and did not detail any charges against the people in question. The Monitor is an information source--no less, no more--that gives detailed information about things that actually happen and works that are actually published. If you cannot make this simple distinction, perhaps you're an educational product of Israeli far-Left profs. Simply squawking "McCarthy" and "list" every time somebody criticizes the far Left is not an intelligent or meaningful response--it's a kneejerk, mindless response. The Monitor refers to some of these academics as writing disloyal works or engaging in disloyal activities because they write disloyal works and engage in disloyal activities--that is the sole reason. It is also not a pleasant or good phenomenon that are road accidents and cancer, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about them.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: How dare they be allowed to criticize traitors!
 
Name: Eli 
 
City: Kiryat Yam State: Israel 
 
 
So Haaretz, which daily runs the propaganda of Gideon Levy and Amira Hass, does not approve of academics who expose and criticize the malicious anti-Israel extremists in academia! Haaretz thinks this is "McCarthyism." The real McCarthyism is by those radical leftists who seek to deny the right of non-leftists to criticize the Left!
 
 
  
 
 
    
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: No Marxist Donors, says Dr. L. Brand
 
Name: denise 
 
City: LA State: USA 
 
 
I guess he has not heard of the Kroc Institute, the Ford Foundation, and the countless Euro funds that finance leftwing anti-American and anti-Semitic political "research" and agitprop.

The Israeli Post-Zionist Left, composed of microscopic groups, usually all containing the same people, is awash with funds from these places.
 
 
  
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: RobertK Makes It Seem Like This Is a Faculty Get Together
 
Name: Yaakov Sullivan 
 
City: New York City State: NY 
 
 
It goes far beyond being a mere information font put together by scholars who disagree with the left. It implies motives that are not there, motives that are based on their political agenda. It is meant to discredit scholars with whom it disagrees and then attribute treasonous or traitorous intentions to them. By what standards do they hold these academics "disloyal". This group is nothing but another version of Kahane's site of Massada.org that contains a "shitlist" of Jews they believe are guilty of the same things this ariel group attributes to them. I stand by my contention. They are no different from McCarthy, who could destroy reputations by implication.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: I would not pay much attention to that
 
Name: Edith 
 
City:  State: Belgium 
 
 
People will always remain people. The Jewish people is under too much pressure. That pressure should be lifted, by creating stability, and solidity. And of course the pressure on the Palestinian people should be lifted too. The happiness of one people cannot be constructed on the unhappiness of the other people.
 
 
  
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Hebrew University madrassahs
 
Name: Herbert Kaine 
 
City: Hebron State: Israel 
 
 
Just as we rightly protest against Saudi funded madrassahs in Pakistan and elsewhere, which promote extremism, we must protest against leftist madrassahs in our own midst. Not only do they promote our enemies, they are guilty of poor scholarship. Holocaust denier David Irving would find a congenial environment at Hebrew U, and could assist in coaching a sport of knocking mezuzahs off dormitory doors. Donors are entitled to know what they are funding-it is consumer protection
 
 
  
 
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Israe-academia-monitor.com
 
Name: Prof. I. Barr 
 
City: Detroit, Michigan State: USA 
 
 
Typical radical left article and tactics.Rather than answering the allegations, creating discussion, they go to court and file lawsuits against those who oppose them.Ask Neve Gordon. Israel academia can criticize anybody but cannot tolerate criticism.Israel-academia-monitor.com allows Israeli public to know what the university teachers are teaching their children. Parents who pay for higher education may find that their children are indocrinated in the spirit of anarchists, marxists,anti Israel, anti Semitic attitudes. Ask Kobi Snitz. This indocrination is done daily.Instead of learning a proffesion they learn hate. These professors seem to be in bread, that is, they seem to be selected by their political views and not by academic achievements. Israel pays theis salary. The radical left academics are not altruistic: they get tenures, sabbaticals, publish books by virtue of their extreme antiIsrael rant.Ask Ian Pappe. In summary,radical Left suffers from hypocricy as is Gallili.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: to #17
 
Name: RobertK 
 
City: Jerusalem State:  
 
 
"By what standards do they hold these academics 'disloyal.'"

--Well why don't you read the site and find out? Afraid of what you might learn there?

"This group is nothing but another version of Kahane's site of Massada.org that contains a "shitlist" of Jews they believe are guilty of the same things this ariel group attributes to them."

With a statement like that you reveal yourself as living in a world of ignorant, kneejerk reactions and categorizations. The Left is good, the Right is bad. It so happens that radical-Left Israeli academics have also been strongly criticized by moderate Israeli left-wingers like Maariv columnist Ben-Dror Yamini and Prof. and former education minister Amnon Rubinstein. Mr. Sullivan, try knowledge and thought, I guarantee you it makes life much more interesting than crude emotion.
 
 
  
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: We need tanning salons
 
Name: Elvis Baldwell 
 
City: Tupelo State: MS 
 
 
If the humanities departments at Hebrew University and Ben Gurion U were replaced by tanning salons and cigarette stores, the health of Israelis would be improved. You should send your "re-education minister" Tamir and fellow Stalinists for a very long sabbatical in Saudi Aeabia
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Haaretz, your B.S. is no longer working
 
Name: Jake 
 
City:  State:  
 
 
The unholy alliance between Leftist media, academia, and politicians on the one hand and Islamic fascism on the other hand is a validated, verified, veritable aedifice of the present day.
Take a look at what happened to Pervez Musharraf, who confirmed that he was forced to resign from the military because of pressure from media and diplomats with a strong "liberal" slant trying to depict him as a tyrant.
The truth of the matter is Musharraf is a true Pakistani patriot, who wants to keep Islamic fundamentalism out of public life, and in his particular country conditions on the ground show that the army is the only institution that can protect the country from pervasive Islamic fascism. Musharaf was the only man with the strength, vision, determination, and means to fight Islamic fascism vigorously until victory, and the Western Leftist propaganda have robbed him of the means.
Way to go!
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: What a Load !
 
Name: Tod Zuckerman 
 
City: San Francisco State: Ca 
 
 
The lefty, self-described "elitists" who control hiring decisions in Israel's universities all but ensure that only jackasses like them get hired. They can dish out the criticism, but cry whenever they are attacked. I have seen these little tyrants in action - every time they are criticized, they respond that the attacker is not democratic - they should be working in North Korea.
 
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: You have to brand academics.
 
Name: fustrated academic 
 
City:  State: USA 
 
 
Israel radical academics call Israel "Apatheid state", racist, war criminal. Prof. M. Weinstein even called Israel a "Nazi" state. Israel-academia-monitor.com informs the Israeli public what they say. This is their duty. They have the right of free speech no less than Galili. What if a Palestinian or an Iranian would have done same? Lily Galili is covering for Pappe, Gordon, Snitz etc. Shame.
 
 
   
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: Lilly Gallili's article about Our Inner Scourge
 
Name: Shlomo Sharan 
 
City: Netanya State:  
 
 
Galilli doesn't mention the author, 35-years as Professor of Psychology and Education at Tel-Aviv University. Personal experience and professional background (Full Professor of Psychology and Education)are my credentials for preparing this paper that Galilli dismisses without relating to any of the substantive issues. Every single assertion is based on doc'umentation, most of which is the people's own words. Nothing is said about the anti-Zionist academics that they did not say about themselves. Muss Galilli didn;t do her homework, the net result being that her article is empty of information and attributes to me (falsely accusing people) what it is that she herself does in this scandal journalism she demonstrates. Ben Gurion.the great contemporary Historian David Vital, and other scholars, have amuch lower opinion of Jewish communists than presented in this position paper.Morover,how does Miss Galilli challenge my sychoanalytic
interpretations? produce evidence, stop calling names.
 
 
  
 
 Lily Galili: A McCarthyite attempt to brand academics 
 
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 Title: are they or aren't they?
 
Name: elixelx 
 
City: elx State: spain 
 
 
Well?? Are they or aren't they anti-semite and/or anti-Zionist?
This newspaper makes no judgements, yet the first law of ethical behaviour, pace Pirke Avoth, is "be deliberate in judgement."
The fact that you do NOT judge either brands the editors as cowards, or accepts that anti-semitic/anti-zionist speech is Ok, even within Israel, even within its most important institutions, so long as it does not traduce the right to Free Speech!
Well, dream on baby! There WERE communists in 1950's America, and there ARE "malsines" in modern day Israel, and just as these were cowed so should these be cowed into silence, inaction and impotence.
Let's start with this correspondent/newspaper! 
 
 
   

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